FAIL

Anything/everything on the site not added by a/any user is copyrighted to the company.



No one is allowed to do/modify/show/re-distribute anything with/from the content of the site

unless.....



you have their permission.

All that 'legal talk' cooked down to three simple lines

Yes...what Snow said...

LMAO

Not everyone will get that reference

Thanks for the input. I just got a response from the creator after asking how he created the image, and asking for permission to use it as a log on posting.

"yeah that sounds great! i created the poster using an official joker pic and a free picture from http://www.sxc.hu/index.phtml as the main window/hand. that site is royalty free so it should be ok to use the image."

I will need to know if this constitutes 'permission to use', and do I still have to look into the "official joker pic" further. Although, to be truthful, the face is barely discernible.

Any and all comments are appreciated.

Yes it does....just include it as a 'permissions.txt' file within the upload.

Re the 'official joker pic'...yes, you would...

Txs Jafo,

This is getting complicated.....lol

Yes...and it can often be frustrating...and fail miserably.

Many skinners have works completed they cannot distribute simply because the original author cannot be found/contacted.

I have several...

This is 'Barney's' answer on where the joker pic came from--he is in uk.

no probs m8... haha i never ask the studios for permission, once released online its in the public domain.
i think you only need to ask them if ur gonna make money out of it. well i hope so, otherwise im in trouble.
my thread is full of studio images in my manips...
ahhh well lol


I have searched for images all over and cannot find a match for the somewhat obscure image behind the glass.

I was wondering if I can try submitting it with his initial permission and see where it goes from there.

I see your point, as I was a pro photographer and understand copyright, but the image is more suggestive then it is sigularly recognizable.

By the by, Logon Vista makes it so easy, I would not exactly consider myself a skinner by any stretch.

If you say not to try, then it is a lost issue and can only be enjoyed by myself....sob.

Sadly, most people think that way....it's patently wrong, however.

Commercial use or not makes no difference.  It's about unauthorized redistribution aka 'copying', not about possible sales.

Some works ARE in the 'public domain' AND are free to use in any way...but they need to expressly indicate that is the case.

With yours...submit it...with some description of what's covered by 'Barney's consent' and what was/is the source image...and it may be accepted as fair-use...

That's a bit of a misconception also.

Fan art can be someone using an image that was created by someone, like taking an image of superman and using it as your desktop wallpaper. Technically it's fan art but you didn't get permission from DC to use it as wallpaper and I'm sure DC didn't give permission for that art to be distributed on the net and to be downloaded by other people to be used for that purpose.

Fan art can also be someone creating a replica of a popular image, example: drawing a pic of superman. You might think this is harmless but in the end it still represents copyright infringement. Even if you drew the pic of superman (example only) on a napkin for your own personal use, it's considered a derivative work and goes against the copyright that DC owns on the superman image (or whoever owns it).

There is a catch with fan art though, this is where it gets grey. If you don't use the fan art to make money and you're not trying to make a profit of this fan art (example, drawing superman in photoshop, creating a wicked wallpaper and allowing other people to download it from you & use it as well), it can be considered fair use (somewhat).

The mods on this site make the final call on what they will allow so submit what you want and they will approve or reject it accordingly.

Indeed we do/will

Thanks all, will send it and see what shakes out.

Unclerob, I would imagine that the 'Jokerized' logon kinda falls in your fan art catagory as there isn't a permission text included. It appears as it is a form of line art or litho from the jail pic (I have the picture).

CpuWiz, I would say submit it to the mods, if they approve it, you're ok. If they don't, there was no harm in trying.

If DC ever comes to WC and says remove all material/skins on your site that contain the joker - WC will have to comply and remove them. It's nothing against you personally, they are just protecting their property.

FYI - I love comic book art, I have quite a few pics of marvel/dc characters in bootskins/logons/wb's, etc. I considered it fan art and the mods on this site agreed when they approved my submissions. If they ever had to remove my skins because Marvel/DC/Whoever owns the images demanded it, I wouldn't hold it against WC - it's not their fault. I chose to create skins that included fan art of these comic book characters and in doing so I have to accept that it may cross the line of copyright infringement and may get removed from the galleries at one point because of this.